know your true ememy

topic posted Fri, February 20, 2009 - 10:19 AM by  Sizzle
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a friend told me, as a follow up to this, allegedly it was meant to be aired on a tv station in Wisconsin, the TV station has sinced passed the offer, because the AFA has been uncommunicative. Of course, AFA supporters have blamed the "homosexuals" for denying their freedom of speech.

these are their survey questions...

Do you believe the Bible condemns homosexuality as sin? Yes No Undecided

Can homosexuals change their sexual orientation? Yes No Undecided
Should homosexuals be allowed to adopt children? Yes No Undecided

Should homosexuals be given the same special rights extended to African-Americans and other minorities? Yes No Undecided

Should hate crimes legislation be passed that would call for more severe penalties for crimes against homosexuals? Yes No Undecided

Do you believe that churches and religious organizations should be forced to hire homosexuals? Yes No Undecided

Would you support a boycott of a major U.S. corporation that contributes money to support homosexual activist organizations? Yes No Undecided

Should judges be appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court who support extending special rights to homosexuals? Yes No Undecided

Should employers be forced to extend special consideration in the hiring of homosexuals? Yes No Undecided

Is the secular media demonstrating a bias in favor of the homosexual agenda? Yes No Undecided

Do you support amending the U.S. Constitution to limit marriage to a union between one man and one woman? Yes No Undecided

Should children in public schools be taught homosexuality is normal, acceptable, and equal to the traditional marriage of a man and a woman? Yes No Undecided

Do you agree that Christians should be arrested for speaking against homosexuality in public places? Yes No Undecided
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  • Re: know your true ememy

    Fri, February 20, 2009 - 11:59 AM
    i don't consider christians to be my 'enemy'

    i regard them as potential allies. i work to find common ground with them. instead of labeling them enemies and homophobes, i try to speak to them in their language and persuade them to speak their religious convictions in civil, respectful ways that recognize our right to agree to disagree with each other.

    my biological family is filled with conservative christians. and some of them show me more love and acceptance than i've ever received in any gay bar.

    here's how i answer their survey

    Do you believe the Bible condemns homosexuality as sin? Yes. The Bible is clear. In the Hebrew bible, sex between two men makes them ritually impure which for the Jews was a form of sin or estrangement from the divine. In the Christian Testament, sex between two men is condemned as sin in different books by author/s writing under the name of Paul. Do i personally believe that homosexuality is a sin? Absolutely not. i disagree with the notion that homosex is sinful, but I believe the authors of the bible were convinced that it was. i take issue with revisionists who try to interpret away the biblical texts which condemn homosexuality.

    Can homosexuals change their sexual orientation? Yes, a tiny percentage can. Some people are more fluid in their sexuality. Most homosexuals however tend to have fixed, stable orientations and cannot change them no matter how hard they try. Should homosexuals be expected to change? Absolutely not. Homosexuals should not be expected to change anymore than everybody should be expected to convert to Christianity.

    Should homosexuals be allowed to adopt children? That depends. The same criteria should be applied to them that are applied to heterosexuals. What really matters is a loving, stable environment for children regardless of the sexual orientations of the parents.

    Should homosexuals be given the same special rights extended to African-Americans and other minorities? No. Homosexuals should receive equal treatment under the law. Furthermore, the argument for civil rights for sexual minorities should be rooted in religious liberties. Some people are born into the religion they practice--other people choose it later in life--that makes no difference,. Either way, religious liberties are recognized as protected under the law. The same thing should hold for sexual minorities. Whether or not one's identity is chosen should have no bearing.

    Should hate crimes legislation be passed that would call for more severe penalties for crimes against homosexuals? No. I personally do not believe that perps who target minority groups should be treated more severely. Hate crimes laws are special rights IMNSHO.

    Do you believe that churches and religious organizations should be forced to hire homosexuals? No. but i also believe that churches and religious organizations that fire people just for being homosexual should be sued for discrimination.

    Would you support a boycott of a major U.S. corporation that contributes money to support homosexual activist organizations? No. But neither would i automatically support a boycott called by a gay rights group. I choose my boycotts on a case by case basis instead of following the gay herd mentality.

    Should judges be appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court who support extending special rights to homosexuals? No. Judges should be appointed who advocate treating homosexuals equally under the law.

    Should employers be forced to extend special consideration in the hiring of homosexuals? No. But employers who fire people for being homosexual ought to be sued for discrimination.

    Is the secular media demonstrating a bias in favor of the homosexual agenda? Yes. The secular media tends to promote the ideas that gays are some kind of ethnic-cultural group and that gay people are 'born gay.' The media also tends to oversimplify the marriage debate by framing it as being about 'equal rights'. Marriage is much more complex. Same-sex marriage calls into question traditional assumptions and illusions about gender normative roles, monogamy, and parenting among other issues. It's about more than just 'love' and 'equality.'

    Do you support amending the U.S. Constitution to limit marriage to a union between one man and one woman? Absolutely not. Furthermore DOMA (The Defense of Marriage Act) needs to be repealed.

    Should children in public schools be taught homosexuality is normal, acceptable, and equal to the traditional marriage of a man and a woman? Yes. Of course. Some kids are homosexual and some kids have homosexual parents. Kids should not have to be in closet. But neither should it be assumed that they are 'gay' simply because they are homosexual.

    Do you agree that Christians should be arrested for speaking against homosexuality in public places? No--unless their 'speaking against homosexuality' is intentionally offensive as in the case of Fred Phelps.
    • Re: know your true ememy

      Fri, February 20, 2009 - 12:53 PM
      Well, just like Faeries Christians do not speak with one voice on political issues so I would not consider Christians as my enemy. The mass media gives more attention the likes of homophobes such as Rick Warren or Pat Robertson, but there are also Christians like Bishop Robinson (who is openly gay) or Desmond Tutu who speak in favor of gay rights.

      It would be naive and even dangerous to think we do not have what can only be described as enemies. I am talking about those who encourage violence against us like Fred Phelps. Enemies would also include those who do violence to us like the thugs who murdered Matthew Shepard or the gang who beat and raped a S.F. lesbian when they saw a rainbow sticker on her car.

      My approach to the questions about the Bible is to explain that America is a secular country where freedom from religion and freedom of religion are protected by the U.S. Constitution. I remind them that we are no more required to follow the Bible than to follow the Koran or any other scripture.

      Here is a link to a site where homophobic Christians are answered by a gay friendly Christian. www.wtfwjdbitch.blogspot.com/
    • Re: know your true ememy

      Fri, February 20, 2009 - 7:33 PM
      I've seen reference to "hate crimes" being special treatment in several instances lately.

      As I understand "hate crimes," they have nothing to do with homosexuality, per se. The hate crime laws were, as I understand it, designed to make a crime more serious if it was decided that they were discriminatory in nature.

      For example: Arson of a building is against the law, punishable by some penalty. Arson found to be driven by hate (burning a Synagog or G&L Center as a way to oppress the local population, etc) would be treated with more severity due to its having more impact behind it.

      Another example: A mugging of a person in a park. Serious crime. A mugging found to be motivated by the fact that the person was targeted because of some minority (be it racial, religious, whatever) elevates the severity of the crime due to its terror and oppression factor (instead of it being just a random attack).

      Setting a cross on fire in someone's front yard is a hate crime (as opposed to simply trespassing, littering and a fire without a permit).

      It turns out that, like the rainbow flag (that was originally intended to show general diversity), the hate crime thing seems to be mostly used by gay folk. This seems to mislead a lot of people into thinking that hate crime laws apply specifically to gay people.

      Given how I understand the issue, I am having a difficult time understanding how "hate crime" laws are somehow granting special treatment.

      I would love to discuss this matter further, if you're interested.
      • Re: know your true ememy

        Sat, February 21, 2009 - 10:10 PM
        im not sure what else there is to discuss.. you layed it all out pretty simply. Difference is simple communication of the nature (or intention) of the crime in question. If it is determined that a white man beat up a black man - the racial implications are more obvious visually - superficially, than say a white man beating the shit out of another white man simply because he is queer. It's a way for gay men and women put further emphasis on an otherwise overlooked situation that could be played off as just some white on white crime. Do you have an alternative to the "hate crime" label? I dont think it is something that is driven solely by gay people. The media loves a strong tag line!
        • Re: know your true ememy

          Sun, February 22, 2009 - 10:38 AM
          another label is 'bias crime.'

          whatever you call it, i don't support those laws and i'm not in favor of them. i've spent years going over the pro and con arguments so i'm very familiar with them. i'm not 'opposed' to them in that i would not work to block or overturn hate crimes laws.. but neither would i put my energy in support of them because i don't believe that rapists who gang rape a lesbian or trans woman should receive more severe penalties than rapists who gang rape a straight-identified woman.

          i take the same stance with marriage. i personally am against marriage for personal reasons... so i don't support it. but neither do i vote against it. actually i support overturning prop 8 and doma. but i'm not going to expend a lot of my precious personal energy working to have them overturned when i have fundamental disagreements with marriage as a social construct. i don't support marriage because it tends to prioritize and privilege one exclusive model for relationships. i think we need multiple legal models-some of which would be open to more than just two people...

          which is why i don't identify with the GLBT coalition because the majority of the GLBT platform is overwhelmingly supportive of marriage and hate crimes laws.
          • Re: know your true ememy

            Sun, February 22, 2009 - 11:41 AM
            no one said all christians are the same... the are as varied as any of us ...
            it is just the ones - of any deep rooted organized belief system-
            that wish to force their views and "morals" out onto the rest of us that i take GREAT offence to...

            these in the movie in particular are highly offensive, and small minded and i feel wish to do away with us all -who believe otherwise -

            i think a basic problem with their survey is the term "special" rather than "equal"...
            • Re: know your true ememy

              Sun, February 22, 2009 - 1:26 PM
              Today,
              the seven nations that openly execute Gay men because they are Gay men are:
              Iran, Mauritania, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan.
              These executions are broadcast live, usually death by beheading to cheering crowds.
              In the United States, me and my husband are denied an estimated 1100 Federal and State rights and privileges freely practiced by my heterosexual family and friends, such as being able to visit my husband if he is hospitalized.
              Why do the GLBT community since Stonewall continue to be concerned about hate crimes?
              Here are 66 reasons:

              Acts of violence alleged or proven to have been inspired by hatred of LGBT victims

              The beating by Los Angeles police in 1969 of J. McCann, a gay man. McCann later died of his injuries. A panel of coroners found his death an "excusable homicide".
              The arson of the The Upstairs Lounge in New Orleans on June 24, 1973, killing 32 people.
              The stabbing death of Robert Hillsborough in San Francisco on June 21, 1977 by a man shouting "faggot".
              On November 27, 1978, openly gay San Francisco city supervisor Harvey Milk, along with Mayor George Moscone, was assassinated by political rival Dan White at San Francisco City Hall. Outrage over the assassinations and the short sentence given to White (seven years) prompted the White Night Riots.[20]
              Tennessee Williams was the victim of an assault in January 1979 in Key West, being beaten by five teenage boys. He escaped serious injury. The episode was part of a spate of anti-gay violence inspired by an anti-gay newspaper ad run by a local Baptist minister.[21]
              The beating death of Terry Knudsen by three men in Loring Park in Minneapolis on June 5, 1979.
              The beating death of Les Benscoter on June 15, 1979 in his St. Paul, Minnesota, apartment with the words, "fags will die" written in toothpaste on his furniture.
              Robert Opel, the man who streaked at the 46th Academy Awards, owned a gallery of gay male art in San Francisco. On July 7, 1979, Opel was murdered in an attempted robbery of the gallery.
              The stabbing death of Robert Allen Taylor on September 7, 1979, near Loring Park in Minneapolis, Minnesota. A local reporter interviewed the murderer from jail and was told, "I don't like gays. Okay?"
              The beating death in New York City on October 7, 1979, of Steven Charles of Newark by a gang of four men. Costabile "Gus" Farace, the leader of the attack, was paroled after 7 years.
              The beating of Rick Hunter and John Hanson by Minneapolis police outside the Y'all Come Back Saloon on January 1, 1982. Hennepin County Hospital emergency room staff employees testified in court that the police called the two men queers and sissies while the men were being treated for their injuries.
              The beating to death of Declan Flynn in Fairview Park, Dublin, in 1983. The murder and subsequent suspended sentences of the perpetrators who pleaded guilty to murder saw the emergence of a more vocal gay community in the aftermath.[22]
              The drowning death of Charlie Howard in Bangor, Maine, in 1984.
              On May 13, 1988, Rebecca Wight was killed when she and her partner, Claudia Brenner, were shot by Stephen Roy Carr while hiking and camping along the Appalachian Trail. Carr later claimed that he became enraged by the couple's lesbianism when he saw them having sex.
              The fatal stabbing of James Zappalorti (1945 – 1990), a gay Vietnam veteran.
              The murder of Julio Rivera in New York City on July 2, 1990, by two men who beat him with a hammer and stabbed him with a knife because he was gay.
              The killing of Paul Broussard (1968–1991), a Houston-area banker.
              The killing of an unknown homosexual man in Lillehammer, on August 21, 1992. The police investigation took about a year before Bård Faust, the drummer of the band Emperor, was tried and convicted of the killing. He was released from prison in 2002.[23] Apparently the man had suggested gay sex to Faust and after they arrived at a nearby forest, Faust stabbed the man 14 times.[citation needed]
              The murder of U.S. Navy Petty Officer Allen Schindler by a shipmate who stomped him to death in a public restroom in Japan on October 27, 1992. Schindler had complained repeatedly about anti-gay harassment aboard ship.
              The rape and later murder of Brandon Teena, a transsexual man (1972 – 1993). The events leading to Mr. Teena's death were depicted in the movie Boys Don't Cry.
              On March 9, 1995, Scott Amedure was murdered after revealing his homosexual attraction to his friend Jonathan Schmitz on The Jenny Jones Show.
              The murders of Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill, a lesbian couple in Medford, Oregon, in 1995, by a man who said he thought their "lifestyle" was "sick".
              The bombing of the Otherside Lounge, a lesbian nightclub in Atlanta, by Eric Robert Rudolph, the "Olympic Park Bomber," on February 21, 1997; five bar patrons were injured.
              The October 7, 1998, fatal attack on Matthew Shepard (1976 – 1998), a gay student, in Laramie, Wyoming. Shepard was tortured, beaten severely, tied to a fence, and abandoned; he was found 18 hours after the attack and succumbed to his injuries less than a week later, on October 12. His attackers are serving life sentences in prison.
              The fatal beating of supposedly gay teenager Jeff Whittington in Wellington, New Zealand, on May 8, 1999.
              In May 1999, Admiral Duncan pub, a gay bar in Soho was bombed by David Copeland, killing at least two people and wounding 73.[24]
              The murder of Pfc Barry Winchell on July 6, 1999. He was dating Calpernia Addams, a transgendered author.

              John Atherton, Bishop of Waterford and Lismore, was hanged for sodomy under a law that he had helped to institute. His lover was John Childe, his steward and tithe proctor, also hanged. Anonymous pamphlet, 1641.The July 1, 1999, murders of gay couple Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder by white supremacist brothers Matthew and Tyler Williams. Matthew Williams claimed that by killing the couple he was "obeying the law of God" because he believed homosexuality violated God's laws. Williams said he hoped his actions would inspire further violence against homosexuals and ethnic minorities.
              The September 1999 murder of Steen Fenrich, apparently by his stepfather, in Queens, New York. His dismembered remains were found in March 2001, with the phrase "gay nigger number one" scrawled on his skull along with his social security number. His stepfather fled from police while being interviewed, then committed suicide.
              In November 1999, Blah Bar, a gay bar in Cape Town, South Africa, was bombed, injuring two people.[25]
              The murder of Arthur "J.R." Warren on July 3, 2000, by three teenage boys who believed Warren spread a rumor that he and one of the boys had a sexual relationship. Warren's killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run.
              On September 22, 2000, Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord;" Gay testified in court that "he wished he could have killed more fags," before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet's family and friends.[26]
              Aaron Webster, a gay man in Vancouver, British Columbia, was beaten to death in Stanley Park on November 17, 2001.
              On June 16, 2001, Fred Martinez, a transgender student was attacked and beaten to death near Cortez, Colorado by 18-year-old Shaun Murphy.
              On June 30, 2001, hundreds of Serbian nationalists, skinheads, and soccer hooligans attacked participants of the first Serbian Pride Parade in Belgrade.[27]
              The December 2002 homicide of Nizah Morris, a transwoman in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the mishandling of the case by the Philadelphia Police Department.
              The non-fatal stabbing of Bertrand Delanoë, the openly gay mayor of Paris, in October 2002.
              The killing of Gwen Araujo(1985 – 2002), a transsexual woman, by at least three men who were charged with committing a hate crime. Two were convicted of murder, the third manslaughter; however, the jury rejected the hate crime enhancement.
              Sakia Gunn (May 26, 1987-May 11, 2003) was a 15-year-old African American lesbian who was murdered in a hate crime in Newark, New Jersey. While waiting for a bus, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. One of the men, Richard McCullough, fatally stabbed Gunn.
              On June 17, 2003, Richie Phillips of Elizabethtown, Kentucky was murdered by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase in Rough River Lake. During his trial, Cottrell's relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay.
              On July 23, 2003, Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were murdered by Paul Moore, when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender.
              On July 31, 2003, 37-year-old Glenn Kopitske was killed by 17-year-old Gary Hirte in Winnebago County, Wisconsin. Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was "worse than murder". The jury disagreed, and Hirte received a life sentence.
              On June 5, 2004, Jamaican gay rights activist Brian Williamson was murdered in Kingston. His killer, Dwight Hayden, who used a machete to stab and chop him some 70 times, received a life sentence.
              On September 28, 2004, Sierra Leonean gay and lesbian rights activist FannyAnn Eddy was raped and murdered while working in her Freetown office. Police ruled the attack unrelated to Eddy's activism. Her alleged attacker escaped from police custody and has not been prosecuted.
              On October 2, 2004, multiple assailants in Waverly, Ohio, attacked Daniel Fetty, a gay man who was hearing-impaired and homeless. Fetty was beaten, stomped, shoved nude into a garbage bin, impaled with a stick, and left for dead; he succumbed to his injuries the next day. Prosecuters alleged a hate crime. Three men received sentences ranging from seven years to life.
              On January 28, 2005, Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child's head head, and "boxed" him because he was concerned the child was gay and feared his son would grow up a sissy. Paris, Jr., was sentenced to thirty years in prison.
              On February 27, 2005, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 21-year-old James Maestas was was assaulted outside a restaurant, then followed to a hotel and beaten unconscious by men who called him "faggot" during the attack. Although all of his attackers were charged with committing a hate crime, none was sentenced to prison.
              On March 11, 2005, Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered in his Waterloo, Iowa, apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass. Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
              On June 30, 2005, Yishai Shlisel, a Haredi Jew stabbed three marchers in a gay pride parade in Jerusalem, Israel, claiming he acted on behalf of God.[28]
              Jody Dobrowski, murdered in 2005 in London, the two murderers were later sentenced to life in prison.
              In September 2005, Lauren Harries, a former child antiques expert who had gender realignment surgery to become a woman, her father and brother were attacked by 8 young men in their home in Cardiff. According to court, the youths were shouting and swearing and were heard to shout out the word "tranny" - a term of abuse associated with hate crime.[29]
              In December 2005, a Jamaican mob chased an alleged gay man who, fearful of the crowd, jumped into the water and drowned.[30]
              In February 2006, Gisberta Salce Júnior, a homeless Brazilian transsexual living in extreme social exclusion in the Portuguese city of Oporto, was tortured and anally raped with sticks over a period of three days and then thrown into a pit and left to die in an abandoned construction site. A group of twelve to fourteen adolescent boys between the age of 12 and 16 admitted to committing this crime.[31]
              On February 2, 2006, 18 year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a gun and a hatchet, wounding at least three.[32]
              In April 2006, students rioted at the University of the West Indies in Jamaica and attacked an alleged gay student.[30]
              On April 6, 2006, two American television producers, CBS Evening News senior producer Richard Jefferson and 48 Hours producer-researcher Ryan Smith, were beaten with a tire iron outside the Sunset Beach Bar on the Caribbean island of St. Maarten by a group of four men and two women. The attack left Smith unable to speak properly, having suffered a skull fracture and brain damage.[33]
              On June 10, 2006, Kevin Aviance was robbed and beaten by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him
              On July 30, 2006, six men were brutally beaten after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One of the gay men was beaten so badly that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. All but one of the attackers were adults the exception being a 15-year-old. The attackers were charged with hate crimes.[34]
              On October 8, 2006, Michael Sandy was attacked by four heterosexual young men who lured him into meeting after chatting with him online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. Sandy was hit by a car while trying to escape his attackers. He died five days later, never having regained consciousness.
              On February 14, 2007, three gay men and the gay activist Gareth Williams were stoned by a huge mob in a homophobic attack in Kingston, Jamaica. International human rights organisations have described Jamaica as one of the most homophobic places in the world[35][36]
              On February 27, 2007 in Detroit, Michigan Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man was beaten with a lead pipe by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.[37]
              On March 15, 2007 in Wahneta, Florida, Ryan Keith Skipper, a 25 year old gay man was stabbed to death. Four suspects were arrested for the crime. The Sheriff is calling it a hate crime.[38]
              On April 8, 2007, approximately 100 men gathered outside a church where 150 people were attending the funeral of a gay man in Mandeville, Jamaica. According to mourners, the crowd broke the windows with bottles and shouted, “We want no battyman [gay] funeral here. Leave or else we’re going to kill you. We don’t want no battyman buried here in Mandeville.” [30]
              On May 12, 2007, Roberto Duncanson was murdered in Brooklyn, New York. He was stabbed to death by Omar Willock, who claimed Duncanson had flirted with him.
              May 16, 2007, Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC when Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he didn't like another man's sexual preference.[39]
              On May 29, 2007, Michael Marcil, better known as drag queen Dixie Landers was beaten outside of an Ottawa, Ontario gay pub. Andrew Lefebvre and Sheri-Lee Rand have been charged for the attack.[40]
              On July 7, 2007, 30 participants at a gay pride event in Croatia were attacked by multiple assailants. The attackers had also prepared Molotov cocktails but were stopped by the police before using them. Many people taking part in Gay Pride marches in Eastern Europe (e.g: Romania, Russia, Serbia) have been beaten after leaving the marches.[41][42]
              In September 2007, Osvan Inacio dos Santos, 19, was attacked and murdered in a street near a bar where he had just won the local "Miss Gay" competition in the town of Batingas in northeast Brazil. dos Santos' naked body was found on Sunday morning and forensic examination found his skull had been fractured and indicated sexual assault.[43]
              On December 3, 2007, Craig Gee was attacked by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack. [44] This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police [45], and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade. [46]
              On December 8, 2007 25 year old gay man Nathaniel Salerno was attacked by four men on a Metro train in Washington, DC. The men called him faggot while they beat him.[47]
              In January, 2008, three gay men were attacked in the privacy of their dwelling by an angry mob who had days before threatened them if they did not leave the community in Mandeville, Jamaica. According to reports, two men were hospitalised, one with serious injuries, while another man is still missing and feared dead.[36][30]
              In February 2008, Brazilian gay rights activist Alexandre Peixe dos Santos was attacked and beaten at the Sao Paulo's Gay Pride Association offices in Brazil. Activists estimate that more than 2,680 gay people were murdered in Brazil between 1980 and 2006[48]
              In February 2008, transsexual Duanna Johnson was beaten by a police officer while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a “faggot” and “he-she,” before and during the incident.[49][50]. In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.[51]
              On February 12, 2008, Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15 year old junior highschool student was shot by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15. According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".[52][53][54]
              In Rochester, New York on March 16, 2008 police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose.[55]
              In Baltimore County, Maryland on May 29, 2008 eighteen year old Steven Parrish—a member of the Young Swans subgroup of the Bloods—was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe after they found "gay messages" on his cell phone. They felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak and that by killing Parrish they could prevent that perception.[56]
              25 July 2008, 18 year old Michael Causer was attacked by a group of men at a party in Liverpool, England[57] He later died from his injuries. It is alleged that he was killed because he was gay. The case continues.
              September 7, 2008 - Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington DC. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18th. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.[1][2]
              September 13, 2008 in Denver, Colorado 26 year old Nima Daivari was attacked by a man who called him faggot. The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[58]
              November 3, 2008 - Anji Dimitriou and Jane Currie were physically assaulted at an Oshawa, Ontario public school, while waiting to pick up their children. Mark Scott, the attacker, punched both women in the face, referring to them as "men," "fucking dyke bitches" and spitting in Dimitriou's face. He is in court in Jan. 2009, for two counts of assault causing bodily harm. [3][4]
              On November 7, 2008 in Newton, NC the home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray painted on the back of the house. [59]
              On November 14, 2008, transwoman Lateisha Green was shot and killed in Syracuse, NY because the alleged perpetrator thought she was gay.[60] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[61]
              On December 7, 2008 Romel Sucuzhanya, a 31 year old straight Equadorean and his brother Jose, were attacked on a Brooklyn, New York street for appearing to be gay and for being Hispanic; they were walking arm-in-arm, which is normal for brothers in their culture. Romel later died from his injuries.[62]
              On December 12, 2008 in Richmond, California a 28 year old lesbian was kidnapped and gang raped by four men who made homophobic remarks during the attack.[63]
              On December 16, 2008 in Washington, DC Durval Martins, 35, was shot in the head and killed while walking home from a local gay bar. Police said Martins’ cell phone, cash, credit cards and jewelry were still in his possession.[64]
              on December 26, 2008 in Indianapolis, Indiana, Avery Elzy and Michael Hunt, a gay couple, were killed in their home along with one of their three dogs. A twenty year old man, Christopher Conwell, was arrested on 31 December and admitted to the murders two weeks later. [65]
              On December 27, 2008 in Dayton, Ohio 24 year old Nathan Runkle was brutally assaulted outside a gay nightclub.[66]
              • Re: know your true ememy

                Sun, February 22, 2009 - 1:45 PM
                Those 66 listed do not reflect the actual number of hate crimes against the GLBT Community. That prior list is an historic overview of the hate crimes which were documented in the mainstream media
                From the LGBT page:

                LGBT people are disproportionately affected by hate violence. Reports produced by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (1984–1993) and the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (1994–2007) have documented more than 35,000 anti-LGBT crimes over the last two decades. It is important to note that these statistics are based on reports from only a handful of local LGBT crime victim assistance agencies. Inclusion of transgender people in hate crimes laws is especially important because violence against transgender people is widespread, largely underreported, and disproportionately greater than the number of transgender people in society. The total number of victims reporting anti-LGBTQ violence to NCAVP in 2007 was 2,430, which represents a 24 percent increase over the total number of victims reported in 2006.
                • Re: know your true ememy

                  Sun, February 22, 2009 - 1:48 PM
                  Also from the LGBT Task Force:

                  Anti-LGBT leaders argue that hate crimes laws punish unpopular but constitutionally protected thought and speech. But hate crimes laws are designed to punish actions, not thought or speech. These critics also focus on intent, claiming that all violence is motivated based on some kind of hate, or that it is hard to prove whether a perpetrator is specifically choosing a victim because of his or her real or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. The fact is, however, that the criminal justice system focuses on intent or motive all the time, particularly in sentencing. For example, the legal distinction between murder and manslaughter rests on whether the killer intended to kill and whether the killing was premeditated.

                  In 1993, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously that hate crimes laws, and enhanced sentences based upon intent, are constitutional. In his decision, Chief Justice William Rehnquist specifically noted that judges have traditionally been allowed to consider the motivation of defendants when imposing sentences. Justice Rehnquist also noted that hate crimes inflict distinct emotional harm on their victims and can trigger greater social instability.

                  Hate crimes send a message of terror to an entire group and are therefore unlike a random act of violence. For example, the brutal murder of James Byrd, who was chained to the bumper of a truck and dragged down a street in Texas, sent a chilling message to African-Americans that racial violence and murder remain continued threats. Likewise, LGBT people wonder whether they will be the next Matthew Shepard. Hate crimes laws recognize the particular social threat of bias-motivated violence. Unfortunately, anti-LGBT groups like the Traditional Values Coalition and Focus on the Family oppose hate crimes laws.

                  Those who murder police officers face higher penalties than people who murder civilians, and terrorists who target federal buildings face higher penalties. In 1999, Congress passed a law that created harsher sanctions for countries that persecute religious freedoms. Such laws are not viewed as valuing some lives more than others. Instead, they send a message that certain crimes that strike at this country’s core values, such as the freedom to live free of persecution, will be punished and deterred by both enhanced penalties and federal involvement in the investigation and prosecution of the crime.
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                    Re: know your true ememy

                    Sun, February 22, 2009 - 1:51 PM
                    OOOp-
                    the numbers in the first list were media links, I cut and pasted from Wikipedia.
                    • Re: know your true ememy

                      Sun, February 22, 2009 - 2:36 PM
                      careful Boneyard,
                      you list this much Fact...

                      and you will be accused of 'Hijacking the thread'...

                      thanks for the information though...
                      Grimm as it is.

                      O
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                    Re: know your true ememy

                    Sun, February 22, 2009 - 2:08 PM
                    Hate crimes laws don't just focus on intent. They call attention to the identity of the assailant. If a gay-identified man beats up his boyfriend severely, shouting 'i hate you!" while he does it, is it possible for him to be charged with a 'hate crime'?? probably not.

                    if an african american man rapes and beats an african-american woman--would he be charged with a 'hate crime'? probably not. but if the assailant were a 'white man'????

                    and i disagree with the higher penalties for murdering cops. those penalties DO send the message that a cop's life is valued more than a civilian's.

                    it's ok for us to agree to disagree on this issue. i understand why it's important to the LGBT coalition mindset to get everybody to jump on their bandwagon. that's why i choose to opt out and not identify as 'gay' or as LGBT--because it's a coalition which tends to assume the entitlement to speak on behalf of all who are lovers of the same sex or gender variant.
                    • Re: know your true ememy

                      Sun, February 22, 2009 - 2:32 PM
                      Leaving aside any so called agenda by some non specific LGBT coalition or the issue of hate crimes I thnk there is value in some sort of cohesive effort to support each other. As referenced in the above posts it is clear that same sex lovers or gender variant people have enemies including those who murder us. We do need each other and we need heterosexual allies to ensure we get our civil rights and justice.

                      I am in partial agreement with Sinnerjee about hate crimes laws. If current laws against assault, harrassment and murder were enforced against those who do violence against us there would be no need for a new set of laws. Also as written some of those laws restrict freedom of speech. As much as I hate it when Fred Phelps shows up at funerals attempting to shut them up could backfire and those laws used against us. After Prop 8 passed some activists rallied outside of local Mormon Temples. Under some hate crimes laws that could be interpeted as hate against a religion. If he bigots could be prosecuted for calling us faggots we could be prosecuted for using the term breeder. I think the hate crime legislation is a feel good effort that allows politicans to look as if they are responding to hate crimes like the murder of Matt Shepard.
                      • i agree Harold. we need to work together. we need a coalition of people of all sexualities and gender identities.

                        what i'm rejecting is a faux solidarity rooted in identity politics.
                        what i'm rejecting is an alliance which passes itself off as a 'community' when in reality it's made up of many diverse communities of individuals who are not all in agreement with each other.
                        what i'm rejecting is a leftist construct, which like 'people of color' assumes that self-appointed leaders are entitled to speak on behalf of all those who identify as one or more letters in the alphabet soup of GLBTQQI.

                        i am a man who loves men. i cannot speak for all men who love men.

                        my love for men does not make me a weirdo or eccentric so i reject the label queer.

                        my love for men does not make me part of some ethnic-cultural group with girly-girl symbols like rainbows and the color pink--so i reject the label gay.

                        my love for men does not mean that i think effeminacy is absolutely faaaaaabulous, so i reject the label radical faerie.

                        it's ok if others here identify as gay or queer or faeries. some of my best friends do.

                        my love for other men doesn't make me more similar to a trans woman than to a straight man. actually, i have more in common with straight men around my age who share my interests. so for me to lump myself in with GLBTQQI because it's fashionable to do so doesn't make sense to me.

                        better for us to form coalitions around shared commitments to particular issues than to try to convince all gender-variant or same-sex-loving people to identify with GLBTQ or support the GLBTQ political platforms wholesale....
                    • so Hypothetically, if you (Speaking Generally here not specifically)
                      Just assemble a bunch of your Fiends to bash a Fagot and try to silence his Activist Voice...

                      and you are Sort of 'gay' (enough to be a 'faerie')
                      ... but not attached to the label... of course

                      then that is OK?

                      its not Hate?

                      it's justifiable...
                      (you know, because they said something in a way you did not like... or typed to many letters or something...? )

                      how does one lead to anther?
                      or visa versa ?

                      and should the mob be excused?
                      or executed?or Extruded?
                      Gee this nonsense thing is fun!
                      I love Semantics after all!

                      Isn't it all Hate however you carve it up?
                      Just wondering?

                      W/O
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                    Re: know your true ememy

                    Sun, February 22, 2009 - 3:34 PM
                    Boneyard,

                    i agree that violence is an important issue that needs to be addressed. where i disagree is that ethno-centric focus which assumes that violence perpetrated against a minority by someone who is not a minority should be more severely punished.

                    domestic violence between same sex couples happens more frequently than 'hate crimes' where homosexuals are targeted. gay men are more likely to be assaulted by another gay man than they are by a straight man.

                    but the focus on 'hate crimes' distorts this fact.
                    • Re: know your true ememy

                      Sun, February 22, 2009 - 4:24 PM
                      Just because somebody enjoys a vacation same-sex blowjob underneath Grandmother Maple does not a Gay man make.
                      I remember Bisexual-chic from the 70's, same explanations made here. Those same bisexuals were the first to turn on their Gay brothers at the start of the HIV Pandemic, so easy to recite homophobic edicts to show you are not " that way." So easy to use women as beards.I was an early member of ACT-UP, and that work was mostly fought by Gay men. I was there, my Gay brothers were there, Bisexuals were not. Remember " Silence = Death?
                      When the cards were down, the Bisexuals were silent, fearful of being thought as Gay.
                      They went back into hetersexual society, in denial, often infected themselves.
                      Today we still have Bisexual monsters like Ted Haggerty or Larry Craig, openly working homophobic hate into legislation while they themselves dally in the love that dare not speak it's name.
                      As we saw with HIV and 9/11, it does not take much to turn a society bugfuck crazy against those percieved as other.
                      • Re: know your true ememy

                        Sun, February 22, 2009 - 4:41 PM
                        " these men aren't executed for being 'gay'

                        they're executed because they've been accused of engaging in homosexual sex. "

                        Those who execute Gay men today, of course deny there is such a thing as being Gay, as living in stable same-sex relationships. This is the Catholic Church model also- just a sinful sex act against God. " Don't ask-don't tell" and all of that rot.
                        The Catholic Church, and even many Pagans, 'Love the men but hate the sin."
                        Please read " Nomenus vrs. the IRS" for a history of same-sex unions, away from the stereotypes of the dominate culture.
                        The IRS was convinced of the history of same-sex unions, yet those who benefit today from the Sanctuary this created do not.
                        Queer old world.
                        • Re: know your true ememy

                          Sun, February 22, 2009 - 5:07 PM
                          i'm not denying that there's any such thing as being gay.

                          i'm cautioning us against projecting a particular western cultural identity onto all men who have sex with men. From my perspective people have the right to define ourselves with names from traditional culture or names of our own choosing--instead of assuming that all men who have sex exclusively with other men should buy into the consumer identity of 'gay'

                          IMNSHO the best way to express solidarity is to recognize that everybody has the freedom to define our own sexual identity instead of assuming that one's label of preference is the right label for others... just sayin'
                      • Re: know your true ememy

                        Sun, February 22, 2009 - 4:57 PM
                        Boneyard

                        i think we're talking about different things here....

                        what i'm advocating is not a return to the closet or a homophobic sellout of gay brothers

                        for me, gay is another closet. just as limiting, just as much baggage.

                        so for myself i'm advocating keeping the baby (affirming love sex and intimacy between men)

                        and tossing the bathwater (identities like gay, straight, bi, queer, etc...). your mileage may vary and i'm ok with that.

                        just like African-Americans no loner self-identify as negroes or colored people, i am choosing to affirm my love for men without the baggage and assumptions of the minstrel show known as gay culture. my way is not better. it's just my way. i'm going to affirm and define myself for myself instead of taking on the expectations and assumptions of identities projected on to me by others....

                        i affirm you as a gay man, my brother. i respect and appreciate the work done by gay men. but gay culture is not my culture. it feels foreign to me. my life does not revolve around my sexuality. it revolves around LOVE.... and let's be honest, there's very little love to be found in gay culture these days.

                        all i ask is that you not assume that i resonate with gay cultural identity when i prefer to define myself as a MAN WHO LOVES MEN.....
              • Re: know your true ememy

                Sun, February 22, 2009 - 2:20 PM
                >> the seven nations that openly execute Gay men because they are Gay men are

                these men aren't executed for being 'gay'

                they're executed because they've been accused of engaging in homosexual sex.

                not all homosexuals are 'gay'

                gay is a western identity rooted in the idea that homosexuals constitute some kind of distinct ethnic-cultural group where one's sexuality is highlighted. there are lots of people around the world who have sex with people of the same sex, but who don't buy into identifying as 'gay,' 'bi,' 'queer' or GLBT. gay is cultural imperialism at its most insidious. GLBT is a global multinational seeking to homogenize sexual identity and confine it to the limitations of a leftist coalition rooted in a shared sense of "oppression.".
                • I am not gay. I am a MAN WHO LOVES MEN.

                  Sun, February 22, 2009 - 2:29 PM
                  Explanation

                  I am not gay by your definition.
                  I will not stand in the drab beige men’s room
                  like a fern watered with urine,
                  and wait for penises. I’m sorry.
                  Morality will just have to change.

                  I speak directly to the sons of
                  your officials, under the moon,
                  with the professors listening.
                  We have burned the closet door in effigy.
                  There will be no more watching for the feet
                  of policemen under the partitions.

                  Nor the mediocrity of masses of shuffling gays
                  in the dark bars, ghettoed and ethnic.

                  I love men. I tell them so directly.
                  Whenever we encounter, there are no categories.

                  - William Barker (born 1947)
                • Re: know your true ememy

                  Mon, February 23, 2009 - 8:40 AM
                  I would not label the gay identity as being "cultural imperialism" unless we attempt to foist the label on homosexuals in other cultures. We have to call the people who are vitiimized in other coltures something and gay is a conveinent term for us. The modern movement for gay rights (post stonewall) grew out of an era where identity politics were the order of the day. Stonewall was made possible by the civil rights movement of that period in time. It should not be suprising that our movement would be influnced by the methods and lingo of the late 1960's It is not suprising that it took a leftist perspective since many left wing activists of the that era discovered their own sexuality and applied lessons of their left leaning activities to the new movement and provided leadership for the new movement. I am sure that in the pre Stonewall era that Harry Hay carried over his experiences as a labor activist and communist party member into the early Mattichine group. The fact that the c.p. and other left organizations remained deeply homophobic even after Stonewall is a whole other story.

                  Where I see some cultural assumptions coming from is that mass western culture is dominant on the planet and that we incorrectly assume that homosexuals in other nations would have the same cultural points of reference. Things that some gay males in the west view as a shared experience are lost on millions of homosexual men in foreign countries. I would guess for instance that the appeal of Elton Johnn, Madonna or Joan Crawford is totally lost on the vast majority of the world's homosexual population. Despite this I hope ways can be found to extend support to homosexuals in places like Iran whose position is something that we can only relate to from our own nightmares.
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                    Re: know your true ememy

                    Mon, February 23, 2009 - 12:09 PM
                    maybe that illustrates an obvious difference between being "homosexual" and "gay"? Homosexuality is within the nature of a person, and being gay is a cultural label used to describe tastes and other behaviours (the most recent is being paired and "married" like traditional male/fem couples). I dont think everyone in the world should aspire to being "gay" in the American (or European) sense, but everyone could have the same basic human rights and avoid getting beheaded in a public square for expressing their sexual nature. There really are no simple solutions.
                    • Re: know your true ememy

                      Tue, February 24, 2009 - 7:50 PM
                      or perhaps there are those of us who are "romo-sexuals"...

                      they are not not like the commomn homosexuals
                      who stay home and throw fab boo dinner parties,
                      but rome o sexuals
                      who go out and rome around ,
                      looking for sex in the city streets
                      or shady woods in search of sex....

                      they are known as the ROMOSEXUALS!

                      ...parafrased from preformance artist - penny arcade
                      • Re: know your true ememy

                        Tue, February 24, 2009 - 7:53 PM
                        seriously, --- stirring the pot---

                        some rather interesting downloads on this subject matter i see ....

                        thanks for the input and sharing...

                        anyone go there and do their bent survey???
                        • Re: know your true ememy

                          Wed, March 4, 2009 - 5:41 PM
                          my answers:
                          1: No
                          2: No
                          3: Yes
                          4: In today's world, Yes
                          5: No.
                          6. No
                          7: nawww
                          8: Yes!
                          9: "FORCED to extend special consideration"??? like non-discriminatory laws...HELL YES
                          10: im tired of xians using the word secular and equating it with pagan, sinner, braineater, etc...
                          11: Yes, but i dont think gay men and women will realize their full potential trying to conform to a HETERO model. Marriage alone will not keep people from fear and hatred
                          12: public schools are not a place to teach hatred.
                          13: sometimes

                          I'm sure this survey was created by xians for xians hoping to stir up bullshit.

                          11:
            • Re: know your true ememy

              Thu, March 12, 2009 - 3:31 PM
              My two cents, Sizzle:

              You said:
              no one said all christians are the same... the are as varied as any of us ...
              it is just the ones - of any deep rooted organized belief system-
              that wish to force their views and "morals" out onto the rest of us that i take GREAT offence to...
              ---
              I think it crucially important to always take a step back when experiencing people hyped-up against some entire group.

              When one takes a step back, sometimes they can then see the backroom leaders hyping them up. That is, the "leaders" that the "followers" uncritically trust.

              That whole survey wreaks of some seeking to mobilize a mass towards attack. The usual tactic of *every* institution that, in order to survive, HAS TO be so organized. The usual tactic of *every* institution, subordinated to "our" war society, which HAS TO do some sort of cynical "service" to the State, that martial-stuck bastion of severe alienation...which most cannot imagine beyond.

              The true "enemy" is thought control and the beliefs that such methods are "the only way" to proceed (in the context of one group--knowing it can be attacked, in turn, at any time--stuck in subordinating to the biggest bully). The biggest enemy is how institutions in this reality utilize masses of people to carry out their perceived "interests".

              Masses of people who merely want some kind of meaning, some kind of community. And in the absence of something truly meaningful (i.e. informal villages of the pre-colonized days), they cannot help but to adhere themselves to these kinds of traps.

              So there you have it, my two cents. I'm open to discussing this phenomenon further with anyone, including those who think this is pure horseshit! (heh)
              • ooops, Sizzle!

                Thu, March 12, 2009 - 3:43 PM
                Oops, should have previewed my post!

                When I said this:
                "When one takes a step back, sometimes they can then see the backroom leaders hyping them up. That is, the "leaders" that the "followers" uncritically trust."

                I should have added: "...that the "followers" uncritically trust and believe they HAVE TO subordinate to (or risk losing what small meaning/community they've managed to finally experience).

                Other additions:
                That whole survey wreaks of some seeking to mobilize a mass towards attack. The usual tactic of *every* institution that, in order to survive HAS TO be so organized (in the context of a perennially jealous State, where one entity rigorously follows a belief, a martial belief, that restrictive protections of its "human resources" is first and foremost; that includes its systematic need to keep a stable of alleged "enemies" in order to keep the "human resources" properly distracted from true abuse) .

                The usual tactic of *every* institution, subordinated to "our" perpetual war society, which HAS TO do some sort of cynical "service" to the State --that martial-stuck bastion of severe alienation...which most cannot [allow themselves to] imagine beyond (in the context of being already so over-whelmed feeling already).

                The true "enemy" is coercively handed-down tactics/methods of thought control and the beliefs that such methods are "the only way" to proceed (in the context of one group--knowing it can be attacked, in turn, at any time--stuck in subordinating to the biggest bully in the hierarchy). The "biggest enemy" then, is how institutions in this reality *utilize masses of people to carry out* their perceived "interests" towards ends which perpetuate something that may have at one time been important, but have, in their systematic deployment, become more and more, heightening stupidity and deeper alienation.

                Masses of people (christians, here) who merely want some kind of meaning, some kind of community in the absence of being allowed something truly meaningful (i.e. informal villages of the pre-colonized days, or extended families) cannot help but to adhere themselves to these kinds of traps.

                Here, they are very much like the rest of us.

                So there you have it, my two cents. I'm open to discussing this phenomenon further with anyone, including those who think this is pure horseshit! (heh)
                • Re: ooops, Sizzle!

                  Fri, March 13, 2009 - 7:52 PM
                  ok thanks, i suppose i could agree compeletly cosm' ...that's a wonderful expansion on what i also ment... by what i tryed to say... if ya get the meaning and underlying intention... no harm no foul, ... just wanted folks to know what the fey flip side is up to... ok doough kay?

                  i've grown more than weary of the in fighting in this tribe...

                  feel me?
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                    Re: ooops, Sizzle!

                    Mon, March 23, 2009 - 7:21 PM
                    So I'm saying that PEOPLE are not the "enemy"; thought control techniques are.

                    What if at least some of us took them on that way? What if we openly accepted that they are seeking community in a super-alienated society, and we know that they MUST follow the orders of their coercive leadeders? What if we kept saying these demystifying things while also saying that such a way is supreme stupidity! Because WE ALL COULD be seeking our COMMONALITIES instead!!!

                    Think about this. Putting such out on the table, the informal "table" so to speak, every time we engage these people. And may they do so towards us.

                    And while it is likely that people everywhere will continue to be TOOLED by their massas (of propaganda/thought control techniques), and that stupidity will continue as usual, maybe, MAYBE a "critical mass" will be able to wake up and avoid the stupidity at its warring worst.

                    (The place that ALL of our leaders don't mind us going, because they believe it serves their "interests" for us to be all divided amongst each other, while they get away, scot free, with their usual dark age deadeningness.
                    • right wing HATE!

                      Tue, March 24, 2009 - 9:06 AM
                      for us to discuss this topic amongst ourselves -is futile
                      regardless of our petty differences- we are all on the same side and are preaching to the choir. here..

                      WE need to let them know what you think!!!...

                      AFA - American Family Association is a rotten HATEFUL .org

                      they are a bogus charity fronting on family values -money grubbing to promote hate- pure and simple.

                      block you phone number first and call them and tell them what you think ...
                      CALL 1-800-326-4543

                      BE PRO ACTIVE - be the tool for change!

                      it costs them for every single call we make... so keep calling

                      lets put them under and out of the hate biz,
                      and support those companies they are boycoting and hating on... for supporting glbtq issues
                      • Re: right wing HATE!

                        Fri, April 10, 2009 - 12:33 PM
                        Caution: When you call an 800 number, the receiving party sees your phone number even when you block it. If you really want to make sure they don't get your number, you need to call from a pay phone
                        • Re: right wing HATE!

                          Fri, April 17, 2009 - 9:24 AM
                          Yes !!! block your number from caller id pre call---

                          i believe it may be *67

                          Block Your Number On Outgoing Calls
                          Landline phone instructions:
                          Your cellular or landline phone company sends your phone identifying information with every call. One of your account privacy features allows you to block your phone number when calling others. If you have it set to blocked, your phone number will actually be transmitted to the other person's phone, but it will not be presented on their caller ID. Instead, the recipient will see "private call" or "anonymous" on their caller ID.

                          The two non-permanent blocking options are:

                          1.) Selective Blocking (also known as "Per-Call Blocking"):

                          To block your phone number and name from appearing on a recipient's Caller ID unit on a single phone call, dial *67 before dialing the phone number. Reminder: you must redial *67 each time you wish to place a blocked phone call. Your local phone company will assign you Selective Blocking unless you specify Complete Blocking.

                          2.) Complete Blocking (also known as "Per-Line Blocking"):

                          To block your phone number and name from appearing on a recipient's Caller ID unit for every phone call, request caller ID blocking from your phone company. If you want to show your number if it's blocked, you can dial *82 to unblock it.

                          Yet another option is caller ID spoofing. This allows you to call from the masked number of your choice.
                          www.reversephonedetective.com/res...html

                          Who can see your caller ID even if you have your settings blocked?

                          800 Numbers. 800, 866, 877, 888, and 900 numbers can see caller information whenever you call them.
                          Emergency services. When you call 911 or the fire department, they can view your caller information, including the address you are placing the call from (unlike everyone else discussed).
                          Do you want to change your call blocking features?

                          Call your local phone company's customer service department. They'll forward you or give you a toll-free blocking selection number. You will receive a letter from your phone company to confirm your selection. Again, if you don't specify which of the two you want, your local phone company will assign you Selective Blocking.

                          Cell phone instructions:
                          1.) Blocking Permanently:

                          You can request a "line block" from your cell phone company. You can do this by calling their customer service department and simply requesting it. This will block your phone number to everyone you call (except of course Emergency Services and 800-type numbers). Should the need arise for you to share your phone number with a party you are calling, you can dial *82 to reveal it.

                          2.) Blocking Temporarily:

                          Occasionally you simply don't want to share your cell number with a specific person. Maybe it's someone you're dating, and you don't want to reveal that you called them 23 times. Well, good news. You can do this by entering *67 before dialing the number.


                          ----"they" (x-tian right wingers) waged a phone campaign to the host hotel to shut down a pig orgy during the mid atlantic leather weekend
                          - the same hand full of people made hundreds of calls---so turn about is fair play---- <snap>

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