...... IT NICE TO SEE THE FAMILY HAVING FUN doing MAGIC!..... what are the ways in THE WAYS of east coast faes, west coast faes, and zouth west FAz, HOW DO THEY OR U,act OR give and get sancturary....? eye did not get to go this year id love to see my family at leat in pictures,, is too much to ask if u wanta hide from the hi tech thingys, can u wear a BuERKA OR sheet over ur body or some thing.. eye mean really! as we get older the im sooooo KOOL noONE can have me or see IT, leave me,COLD! what do u think? so do artists in our pagan tribes have the right to show what they see? thanks ;love u all..... even in this new fAE world it Sad to Say but true....THERE IS MORE SHELL, THAN NUTS!.....trans..more camafloge than balls!
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GayLa VasaLinA
SF Bay Area
  • I'm torn about this. On the one hand, I really value consensuality. I don't feel that my image is somehow public property, or that other people have a right to take my photo without my permission. I shouldn't need to wear a burqa for privacy -- I believe the burden is on the photographer to ask my permission, not on me to hide if I don't want to be photographed.

    This is especially true when I'm involved in ritual, where I and others might be naked, or weeping, or praying, or in other ecstatic states. I shouldn't have to have to worry about seeing a photo of myself in that vulnerable state the next time I open my browser. I think photographers at Faerie rituals should show respect for sacred ceremony, just as they would (or should) if they were at a Catholic mass or a Lakota sun dance.

    I especially don't like it when I feel an intrusive subject/object observer energy from photographers, rather than a subject/subject participant vibe. It's one thing when photographers are emotionally enagaged and magically contributing, and another thing entirely if they're just sucking up the experience and consuming it through their lens. Plus, I hate the thought of an outsider/observer photographing our rites and doing whatever they want with the images without our consent.

    On the other hand, I want to support Faerie photographers in their art. Plus I enjoy looking at photographs of gatherings -- it makes me happy to see all the beloved ones and remember those peak moments together.

    It feels good to me when photographers ask the circle for consent before taking photos. Another idea is to offer people who don't want to be photographed an easy way to opt out, like giving them a ribbon or armband to wear. I also feel that photographers should make every effort to gain consent from subjects before publishing photos--even on Tribe.

    love Stella
    • Thanks Stella!

      I'm also torn over this. Stevee's photos from past Beltane's have been featured in this tribe for the past few years. He is a participant, not an observer. I'm not sure if the request not to photograph during ritual is new to this year. If not, I think we haven't enforced this rule in the past perhaps because Stevee's photos add so much to our community. And because people who couldn't make it to Beltane are excited to see pics of people participating in pole-in-the-hole.

      At the same time, I want to support people who don't want their photos posted on the internet. A few years back, I found pictures of me posted on an email group which were taken at a ritual in Colorado where i was skyclad. I had consented to the photos being taken but I was unaware that they were going to be sent to the egroup. At the time I was working with adolescents so i was pissed and ridiculously paranoid that nudie pics of me would find their way to my employer's attention. Besides, i like having control over who gets to see me nude.

      Perhaps we could create a simpler way for photographers to gain consent from people about posting photos online. It would be nice to see more pics of pole-in-the-hole and folks who want to show off their Beltane regalia...
    • Re: PICTURES FROM

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:55 PM
      I for one know what it is like to be misrepresented in image
      and Ive felt the backlash of posting
      even the most fabulous picture without consent.

      From my experience at sanctuaries
      there are just as many exhibitionist faeries as privacy qweens.
      One sister's super-sacred is another one's sacrilege.


      From Merriam Webster Dictionary :

      PUBLIC
      -exposed to general view
      -affecting all the people
      -relating to people in general
      -relating to business or community interests as opposed to private affairs
      -devoted to the general or national welfare
      -accessible to or shared by all members of the community
      -supported by public funds and private contributions rather than by income from commercials


      PUBLICITY
      -the quality or state of being public
      -an act or device designed to attract public interest
      -the dissemination of information or promotional material
      -paid advertising
      -public attention or acclaim
    • THANK U .... my beef in mexcio during day of the dead u have people taking pictures of people crying praying partying maybe not naked at lest not in early part of the night!.... it is so sad when people come in and TAKE pictures of the familys without knowing them... it is inpersonal and does not , make for good picture or ... so it is best to ask not only, about can eye take ur picture, but, who are u, what did ur love one do,can i light candle in her name with ur family,,, my guess is that most faes taking pictures know who to and when to take a shot.... eye still dont get the**** eye dont want to be seen**** diva stuff //// is every picture of some naked person? and so what if we are nude! now if u are doing something un ethical... like sex with a old skunk i eye u tube it.. it would be sad but funny and yet maybe the skunk would be saved from more abuse.....there is a way that we can all share but when a few make all the rules because frankly they seem un sure of their own wonderfuelness within and without then the divas win and we as family lose not only family but our history oif that time..peace
      • blah blah blah
        • point is to be wise man joker with out being mean and cowardly...the way the divas that feel the need to rule, and make rules with out talking about the whys and hows to other faes or groups...... history our queer history is inportant... .being bullyed by a few young know it alls is something altogether difrent ....i dont lie or take things that are not mine,eye work hard and tell the truth my truth to ur face,i feel sad ness 4 queens that tell lies and will not have open mind or heart because some one or some thing makes them not think for them selfs...... if u have not been to short mt it time u meet some of the real old fucker queens like bee and see what lost world u live in if u are clsoed to new ideas and what other people need and want to share and heal..... love with out expressing feelings iis like blood with out a heart... good luck miss know it alls///// u will know them by the way the eggs they lay....take ur picture hot stuff
          • why does reading everything you write have to be such a chore?
            • well i smoke too much pot my dear! and eye have A.D.D.... MY FOLKS WERE TEENAGERS IN THE 20S! eye will be 50 this year!eye now think that my mexcain folks wisdom is being lost, with more than 60 of my close pals dead of aids in texas , and not too forget, the new people eye have meet with hiv that have died, eye feel that the wild ones, the freaks, the artists, travelers, are mostly gone the diffrent drummer types my age,the more dona summers, police,barry man-a-low, star treckies no insafe fucking types are live.rather than the roxy music ,sex pistols ,patti smith,bowie, stones,watergate anti diva queers.../////////////// yes .maybe alot of pain.... knowing how fake things are..... if u have some thing like a car, ah big dick, a good job, a hot new book or art show out, or just won the lotto, or ur sexy, u have lots of pals.... and they may not be real..... when u get sick ,almost dead, u know who ur pals are and more inportan,u know who ur family is.. and u want , know, u will only, want to live in truth and loving... even if it makes, u a fool in the kool fashon world, even of the faes.....and u want to live 1000 percent. and share ur self story with joy, tears, anger, and lost of laughing...! eye in place, im not happy with every thing is slow .. and eye want things to be my way now.. i miss doing my art work so now im working on book about folly... many of my rants are aprt of this art book thank u..... more to book be sides her cover...