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How can we build consensus to create more opportunities for M4M space at Wolf Creek?
How can we build consensus to create more opportunities for M4M space at Wolf Creek?
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Re: How can we build consensus to create more opportunities for MLM (male-loving-male) space at Wolf Creek?
Sun, February 22, 2009 - 10:25 AMFirst and foremost, we need to shift all this negativity and controversy surrounding the meme of male-loving-male (MLM) focused space. MLM space is often misperceived as being sexist, misogynistic, exclusive, discriminatory, etc... and it comes across that way when men who claim to support it attack and blame 'women' or 'pangenderists' for the lack of male-loving-male focused spaces instead of making more efforts to create and maintain such spaces. I don't hear people accusing 'sober space' of "excluding" people who are drinking and drugging. Similarly, gender-focused spaces offer important opportunities for healing and recovery because they are a safe, intentional environment for those who seek it. I intentionally am calling it male-loving-male (MLM) space to include all males who identify with labels (gay, bi, homo, queer, faggot, faerie, etc...), but also to include males who don't use those labels. The focus is on LOVING relationships between males (which can take the forms of sex, intimacy, friendship, sharing, heart-circles, community-building, self-exploration, healing, not-liking-one-another-but-still-attempting-to-be-civil, etc...) We need to find ways to promote MLM positively. Instead of saying 'no women' or 'no straight men,' it needs to be clear that the space is male-focused in order to foster healing, growth intimacy and bonding among males. In constructing the call for MLM gatherings, the sign on the bridge, voicemail message, emails or Raddish ads announcing when a MLM space is currently taking place, there needs to be appreciation expressed for people who are not called to attend to please respect the intention of the space and find somewhere else to be at that time.
We need to expect a certain amount of flak and hurt feelings from people who feel excluded from male-loving-male focused space. and we need to find more ways to hold space and respond with compassion to people who feel hurt or discriminated against. Whenever someone starts criticizing MLM space for being sexist, we need to be able to respectfully disagree with them--saying something like 'i hear where you're coming from, but my experience of male-loving-male focused space is VERY different." Supporters of MLM space also need to be aware that accusing pangenderists or women of invading their space or attempting to take it away from them is NOT a way to garner support for MLM space. blaming and flaming others creates backlash, defensiveness and opposition. We need to recognize that some of the men who claim to speak on behalf of MLM space are sometimes rude and disruptive in the ways they seek to promote it. Thus, MLM space acquires a bad name in part because of some people's disrespectful behavior. This needs to change. Instead of attacking, blaming, flaming and accusing others, we need to find more ways to support each other in promoting MLM space in ways that encourage respectful, civil interactions with one another.
Once again, i'll reiterate that the caretakers are key. We need to find and support caretakers who are passionate about creating and maintaining MLM space instead of assuming that all caretakers are going to prioritize it. Some caretakers are at wolf creek because they feel called to help maintain the land and infrastructure of the sanctuary, not because they want to enforce policies. Instead of attacking and blaming them for not supporting policies, we ought to express appreciation for the hard work they do, offer more support to those caretakers are are willing to hold boundaries and encourage those who support MLM space to consider becoming caretakers for a while. Nomenus needs to create suggested guidelines and provide a little training for caretakers to help them have the potentially uncomfortable conversation alerting people about MLM space, or having to ask them to leave.
i think it's also important to challenge the idea that male-loving-male focused space is 'exclusive' and pangender space is somehow more 'inclusive.' in reality, pangender space excludes the possibility of male-loving-male focused space happening there at the same time. as a result we need to create more opportunities for male-loving-male focused spaces within pangender gatherings. We could promote male-loving-male and female-loving-female heart circles, circle jerks, sex parties as well as pangender heart circles, circle jerks and sex parties. Perhaps, a building at Wolf Creek could be designated as MLM space during a pangender gathering similar to the way that Halston has been designated sober space during past gatherings. That way, a MLM space would be available during the pangender gathering. what's good for the gander is good for the goose. We could designate female-loving-female focused spaces as well and even consider shifting them around so that the male-loving-male focused space trades places with the female-loving-female space the next day..... Also for Beltaine, this year i'm proposing that there be a sexorcism ritual where people can give voice to their issues and hurt feelings around male-loving-male focused space and other issues which block us from creating more sex-positive spaces at the sanctuary. people will express and release all their pent-up emotions and put that energy into the compost so that we can create something fertile out of all the negativity and pain....
In setting up the intention for male-loving-male focused space, i feel that it is important to keep in mind that when some people say Goddess they mean their 'feminine side' or anima. Nevertheless, when many people say Goddess, they mean the divine embodied in this world, especially as embodied by women. As a result, i strongly recommend that when the boundaries for a male-loving-male space are being set, that the Goddess not be invited into the space, but instead that the Goddess be invited to the edge of the space to help hold the boundary of male-loving-male space with compassion and respect for women and children. This would help clarify that although the Goddess is being honored, there is also an expectation that the male-only intentional focus of the circle will be respected. In addition to invoking the Goddess as Witness and Keeper of the space's boundary, i would suggest that invocations to male-loving-male focused space also include a male Gods named Feminus and Sissyface who represents the feminine energies present within males. Other male gods who have explored their feminine side and lived for a time as women could be invoked: Dionysus, Heracles, Thor, Arjuna to stress that the space is about male-bodied folk exploring their femininity....
whenever i hear faeries saying by 'radical faeries' we meant 'faggots,' or gay brothers, my initial response is often; hey, it's never to late to start up the Radical Faggots. The Radical Faggots could be an intentionally clearly articulated male-focused group of faeries who facilitate more male-loving-male spaces. Radical Faggots could fill the need within Faerie for a return to the focus on male-male sex mysteries. Faerie is more nebulous and connotes the ability to transcend gender. Faggot is a term that was once associated with women, but these days is largely applied to male-identified queers. Radical Faggots could host something named Faggot Feasts or Feast of Two Flutes Playing or Feast of Feminus and Sissyface or St. Rimjob's Day--which would be different names for weeklong celebrations of male-loving male spaces every month... In addition to SGRF in the summer, Radical Faggots could host new faggot-centric holidays focused on exploration of male-male sex magick. Radical Faggots could also consider hosting a 30th anniversary SCRF (spiritual conference of radical faeries) from august 31st to september 2nd and divide the conference into pangender and male-loving-male focused events.
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Re: How can we build consensus to create more opportunities for MLM (male-loving-male) space at Wolf Creek?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 4:32 PMwell sinn...
I have waited to see if others would weigh in on this...
or to see if others would respond to HofH's "thank you"post...
sure been Quiet since then... ?
You start off by saying, that we need to end the negativity...
then much of what you write seems to be that...
maybe my perceptions are Wrong on this...
gosh I hope so...
the perceptions of "Attack" and "Blame" maybe be Just as inaccurate...
but who is going to Cop to that?
it seems there is alot of Labeling going on on both sides...
your post seems to put Just as much of an Adversarial Spin on things as I have seen on either side... can you not see that?
it also addresses alot of things that have been Said again and again... not new ideas for the most part...
I have become Really sick of the whole semantics game...
that derails topics by spinning them off in to Semantics Bull Shite.
it is what i perceive to be a tactics, that I have grown impatient with ...
I do not think I am the only one...
as far as CREATING or ASKING for more M4M Spaces...
as I have said before ... every time I ask... it is violated...
and the last time Rick and I offered to facilitate a SGRF ...
we were Vetoed by Rula Mugwort and IZ... even though there was NO Coordinators for that gathering at the time.
the ONE that Rick and I did Facilitate...
we asked for m4m space 2 days before and 2 day after... so we could prep and do tear down in that container...
and you should have seen the Crap we were put through for asking for that...
NOT FUN.
I made a PINK Yeild Sign for the bridge with a SMILE Face in Yellow ... that said "M4M Space in Progress ... thank you for respecting the space... " and Iz trashed it... (after I asked for it to be saved)... sayingthat it was not to her liking... or something to that effect...
none of this is New or Isolated ... and i am Not asking to Dredge up the past... or peoples Accountability for the past... I am Trying to impress what has brought this to its UGLY Place and Status in our community.
I feel Like we have TRIED EVERYTHING... and it Still is Open to Disrespect....
and the years that it has derailed the time we should have had by all rights to be exploring what that space is for us...
has been Mostly Lost except 10 days a year... and then women often show up at clean up time...
you say:"Whenever someone starts criticizing MLM space for being sexist, we need to be able to respectfully disagree with them--saying something like 'i hear where you're coming from, but my experience of male-loving-male focused space is VERY different."
I Say... well that is EXACTLY what Rick and i have been saying for years... and we get labeled EVERY DIRTY WORD IN THE BOOK... and made out to be the ENEMY. sooooo.... meanwhile... it makes Everyone else's balls shrink up... and they Hide... cuz they can see what has happened to us.
as far as Caretakers ... they get put through the same crap... maybe some one should look up RandaRella, and ask that wonderful man, why he Left the land? he was NOT the only one... there have been many others who wanted Calamus... but could not shake the Youngsters who mostly don't do the work ... pushing their agenda for inclusiveness... even though it is a GAY MEN'S CHURCH Land...
GC has REPEATEDLY tried to apoint Stewards that would uphold the churches intentions... as recently as 2 GCs ago... only to have one CareTAKER... (leaving the land) say (under his breath as he was leaving... ) "well I am Not doing that" Like that was perfectly legitimate...
that GC was asking Stewards to be MORE Accountable... in exchange for paying their FOOD Stipends ... as "More appreciation"
You also say:"...in reality, pangender space excludes the possibility of male-loving-male focused space happening there at the same time."
I say: well the whole idea that the 2 things ARE a Conflict of interest... is Exactly why the topic has been Relegated to DEAD last... and then avoided and Blocked for so long...
THEY ARE... and to let is Stand as it is... where one group gets to excercise more control over the land MORE and More and more... since the time we invited women ONCE ... is also a Big Part of this conflict...
None of this is New concept... but Few are willing to be as Real about it here as You have... because it threatens the Deliberate attempt to Pangenderize EVERY 'Fae" Space... (and Yes ONCE that DID meant FAGOT ) ... right down to Stella approaching the newest Sanctuary and saying that she has some pointers (or something to that effect) on how to make it more inclusive to women... LOL!
It IS an Intention... It is NOT by Accident ... that this is happening... Just as the mob to Silence Rick and I WAS PLANED and Staged by "the cross pollinators". (YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!")
I believe that relegating M4M space or W4W space to a building in a Pangender gathering is all well and good... but it has already Alienated Most of the Kinsey 6s before the gathering even happens... Just as it has alienated them from asking for M4M space on the land outside of SGRF... (Oh yeah that means "SPIRITUAL GATHERING OF RADICAL FAERIES"... YEAH that means MEN. as it always has been!)
Not SGRFM...
Maybe there should be a Talk Circle at the pangender gatherings... to Hear their Ideas on how to HONOR M4M Spaces... so that we do not have to Look "Exclusionary" to have our own Space... Why is it... that the pangender community can not organize itself, to GIFT HALF the Time to the Fagot Church that made them welcome?
WHAT A GIFT THAT WOULD BE!
How Respectful...
how Magnanimous ...
to bring this Decades old conflict to an END...
instead of trying to Figure out ways to have it ALL?
or to encroach more and more... on a Beautiful thing that MANY Fagots still need? (and were prepared to SHARE)
The whole "Goddess" thing Pisses me off.
the very IDEA that Women have some Special Entitelment ...
or Corner of the Goddess..
is Like telling Children in a Family, that only the Females have access to their MOTHER...
the Goddess is within me....
the Goddess is the Ground I walk on...
maybe we Should have INVOKED THE GOD... and Said to women... that they have NO PLACE Near God... ?
Doesn't that sound ReDickulAss?
when women are not respecting Men's Space... or their Church...
they are NOT Living representatives of THE MOTHER .
so when it is M4M Space... men can not evoke the Fem in them selves?
PUHLEASE!
as far as:"it's never to late to start up the Radical Faggots."
that IS NOMENUS. when are people going to get this?
in 20 years will there be Bisexuals and Women wanting to Identify as FAGOTS?
Harry said on Multiple occasions (some times on tape) that he Never thought that Straights and Women would want to Identify as "FAERIE"... and how much He Regretted Not Copyrighting that word... look where that has taken us...
What were "Friends of Faes" if ANYONE could be one?
those who represent Harry as saying that he wanted Women to be a part of the Faes... is just Also Plain Wrong... anyone can ask the circle of Loving companions who cared for harry and John in the final Years... and they are QUITE Clear on this point... all you have to do is do the research... but then again... No one wants to hear the TRUTH.
The Fact is... that UNTIL those who identify with the Pangender Camp, take an Active Role in RESPECTING m4m space...
and HELP Create Policy that they can UPHOLD ... as a GIFT to the the Fagot Church... there will be no reconciliation...
The Idea, that if they Just drag their feet... and Stall it out, as long as possible .. they will Chase off all who want it... and eventually TAKE THE PRIZE... (that is the land) is Just DEAD Wrong... and that is why there is now a Ticking Time Bomb (metaphorically Speaking) to the End of Nomenus and Wolf Creek now counting down... because if it can not be worked out (by the time stated in the "prophesy") it May all come to an end... and there will be No Prize to be taken...
Either we ALL WIN... by learning to Compromise and Share Equitably... or there will be Nothing left for ANYone. that is not a threat... it is a fact... something that Really needs to be examined at Beltaine... if there is ever to be another at WC.
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Re: I thought this was about M4M spaces
Tue, March 10, 2009 - 11:27 AMYou dumbass.
I didn't touch your sign, and it was hurtful of you to put one up, when everyone knows what gathering it is. Petty bitch.
I noticed that you conveniently left out the first SGRF you were involved in planning. The one you and Angie organized?
Then, there's the one you and Rick organized.
Just so you know, that doesn't make you "Land Empress for the SGRF."
We're still a consensus organization, and you don't get to go through and remake the Land to your ideal (Gods help us).
So, politely, the reason we weren't interested in your offer of a thrid SGRF was the first two. And, stop yelling at people. And interrupting.
I love being your scapegoat. At least, until you need it to look like a conspiracy. Then I'm just second fiddle (or third, depending on what you need it to read).
If everyone else in the circle is fed up, that's a consensus, not a conspiracy. Take a hint.
I wasn't involved in the "very special meeting," but I do know that you've been asked not to come to Nomenus meetings.
So, if you've been asked not to come back, WHY ARE YOU POSTING ON THE WOLF CREEK TRIBE??????
You still don't remember your last GC at WC with Bennet, even though you smoked him out at every break. But you sure remember everyone getting up and giving you the what-how, after you made Mugs cry. You do remember making her cry, before those queens got up in your face? Oh, that's right, they all got up in your grill for no reason.
Do you realize that the mission statement of the Church is to Create, maintain, and preserve spaces of Cultural and Spiritual sanctuary, for Radical Faeries and their friends, in Harmony with Nature? I wonder if you know what "in harmony" with anything means.
Every time you start talking about heart circles, I feel your desperation to be in them. I'm sure that you do need them; but, insisting that everyone on the Sanctuary be involved in them once a week won't help you. Finding a peer group, a support network, that's a start. But, a heart circle isn't a room full of people that have to hear everything you want to say. It's about listening. Stop telling the same story about the girl who told the same story.
You want to be witnessed (isn't that why you're here?); but you refuse people the same courtesy.
Try speaking you piece, and then shutting the f*ck up. Try listening. Get rid of the part of you that insists that you're the Authority, and respect the group (whichever ones haven't ostracized you--not a pretty word, but accurate).
I pray that you can find resolution, Will; but it's not my work.
Finally, I'm not an officer of the corporation, you're no longer a member of the Church, and I will exercise my right to defend my reputation from aspersions here, or anywhere else I deem appropriate.
This is the end of me being "nice about these things." Please, don't make me take the time to respond again. -
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Re: I thought this was about M4M spaces
Wed, March 11, 2009 - 1:33 AMoh Name calling...
I Stopped reading at Dumb ass.
the rest is irrelevant...
since we know you are not to be trusted.
this is where I mimmic you ... and cram my fingers in my ears and run away saying La La la La la...
Right?
I was there... I Know what you said... what did you do with the sign?
W/O
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Re: I thought this was about M4M spaces
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 2:57 AMIf you're on my "ignore" list, and you change your name so you can message me, you're gonna get reported.
I'm surprised you read as far as "dumbass."
And, it's not a name, it's a descriptor.
"you are worth of only my pity...
(More than you showed me)
Nothing more.."
Just so you know, haiku is 5-7-5
Your words are empty,
Your stories are old.
Cut to the chase,
or be left in the cold.
Find an audience that wants to hear you, stop posting here.
PS: You, and "the fishbowl?" You WANT people to have to listen to you, with no escape. That's not a process, it's an ego fix. -
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Re: I thought this was about M4M spaces
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 12:02 AMFISH BOWL ?
you mean like the one that was the Promise to Rick and I ... ? at the same GC that you was your last on the land... ?
Scheduled for the following GC... if you 3 Abusers did not agree to mediation before that?
the one the President... and our paid facilitator Denied to rick and I at the following GC, after an illegal meeting that unjustly bared us from OUR Church?
you say you had no idea of the Illegal meeting.. (how convenient for you... )
and yet here you support its behaviors... as if it were LAW...
how is that any different than participation?...
how is NOT upholding the bi Laws Just as Slimy?
you were an Officer of our church for Gods Sake!
how pathetic... You KNOW it is true. no matter what you say.
yet your hands are clean?
there is NOTHING that says you have to read... what i write...
so why don't YOU Buzz off Hypocrite.
Haiku?
Who gives a crap about your Snobbish crap either?
(coy picture posed Snobbery... your pic says it all... )
I would rather Ukiah... 7-5-7
you can say go away all you want...
it will not work on me, as it did with so many others you thought you had the Right or Privilege to Alienate...
I am here to let you know... that crap does not work on EVERYONE. No matter how you would like to believe it can.
I am now someone with nothing to Loose... lol... so ... sling the mud hon... it only reveals who you really are...
I am Here to tell you that the old TACTICS of Alienation that you seem to think is your FAE Right...
are NOTHING to me... I got bigger balls than that... and they are made of STEEL.
what you think of me means nothing... since I now think so unhighly of you.
so kiss my ...
you know...
W/O
lol
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Re: Doesn't that sound ReDickulAss?
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 12:21 PMBeast/William/Omega, Last fae in Nomenus,
As I read your Oh So Rational words... I thought Right on... and then, as I Read, I Glazed over... and found myself skimming over till the end...cuz I realized that a response was going to take ALL Day.
"and that is why there is now a Ticking Time Bomb (metaphorically Speaking) to the End of Nomenus and Wolf Creek now counting down... because if it can not be worked out (by the time stated in the "prophesy") it May all come to an end... and there will be No Prize to be taken...
Either we ALL WIN... by learning to Compromise and Share Equitably... or there will be Nothing left for ANYone. that is not a threat... it is a fact... something that Really needs to be examined at Beltaine... if there is ever to be another at WC.."
PUUUUUUUHHHHLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!!!! DEAR GOD!
those who were our 'friends' may bring the End.
help me not to feel BETRAYED.........
"I think I am with vaughn... maybe it is time to terminate the tax exemption.... by fileing the right complaints...."
"I Plan to help Vaughn pull the plug on this Corps. "
Now look what will happen... the HOMO Church IS NO MORE.
How will you ever feel good about going to that land again...Knowing that the Dead who Rest there are Weeping for the treachery that you and yours have wrought to take the land that HOMOS Set aside for Peer Fellowship healing and growth... ?
How will those that come... rest easy on that soil... with so many Fagots ashes under their heals?
Knowing that they have DISPLACED Fagot/HOMO/2Spirit/Poof/Sissymen/WHATEVER.... that still needed an Island of Peer SAFETY in these Prop 8 times ... and whatever is to follow.
I pray that the young ones will not learn that Deceit and Misdeed is the way to get what they want... or that the ends justifies the means. and that the Elders who say the Faes are a Failed Experiment are WRONG.
those who were our 'friends' may bring the End. how is that for Ironic? Speaks Volumes...
No Matter how Sugary Coated and Pious that you want to dress it up. It is the same old deadly cult practice with a New Face.
the closer you get to exposing the truth ... the more desperate the acts become.
with Love and Respect to all that offer it in return.
Ring ov Power (669 is the Number of the serpent biting its own head off... )
ps. but the real Question is this...
do we let this invasive group of conspirators take the church... and do what they will?
or do we stand up to them ONE Last time...
I don't know...
Nothing else has worked...
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Re: Doesn't that sound ReDickulAss?
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 12:54 PMThank you, Ring. Good to read another post of heart and spirit here, free of the Wolf Creek Torch and Pitchfork brigade's taunts and flames.
And thanks to William for his heart, voice, and intent posted here also.
In things Radical Faerie, nobody should be made the weakest link by the tyrany of the pack. -
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Re: Doesn't that sound ReDickulAss?
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 6:51 PMto ring and bone...
thank you both.
sincerly.
William
Omeaga
Last of the Fae.
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Re: to create
Wed, March 11, 2009 - 10:32 AMReal time is different than through the wire. -
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Re: The excluded speak:
Wed, March 11, 2009 - 5:42 PM -
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Re: The excluded speak:
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 3:01 AMThank you, Angie/Boney/Heretic/Sqweegle, for reminding me, that you resigned in a big huff.
And, thank you for reminding W/O that there is somewhere he's welcome to post. I'm so glad that you two have resolved your personality conflicts (since your "big scene"). -
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Re: The excluded speak:
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 7:41 AM
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Re: The excluded speak:
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 11:49 AMLook Iz
Even with your Participation in Alienating so many...
NO ONE has told you Not to post here... or that you are not welcome...
2 GCs ago... YOU were the one who was on the CHOPPING Block... Remember?
Do you Remember how QUIET you were though the whole meeting?
Do you remember Storming out... nearly in tears?... and who came After you?
IT WAS ME.
because I CARED.
when i told you then... that all the people in the meeting loved you to some degree.
(even if we did not all agree with the way you handeled things) I was Not lying...
You have Disrespected me more times than I can count...
and I STILL Saw you as a Brother...
but now I am NOT worthy of the same?
you Now Still Think you Have some SPECIAL Right to make Some feel unwelcome...
Who DID YOU LEARN THAT FROM?
NOT ME.
I went back and read your Slander ABOVE... and want to Clarify for the UMPTEENTH time...
the Gathering that VAUGHN Cordianated... and chose to List me as a "Coordinator" was totally without my Knowledge.
there had been NO PLANNING Meetings for that Gathering... and it was a BAD Gathering...
I WAS NOT A CoCordinator.
I Said i would "Help".
I Brought a HEART CIRCLE TENT.
and got listed as a "COORDIATOR" WITHOUT MY KNOLADGE.
it was poorly planned and people got SICK...
that was the REASON that Rick and i DID Coordinate the following year.
Kali then said at the closing of that gathering... that the Quality of That gathering was so hight... that that was the reason he wanted to coordinate the following year... becasue he wanted to keep the good Spirit of that gathering going...
of course he was not able to do that job the next year...
so the gathering had really NO Coordinator...
THAT was the reason that Rick and i offered AGAIN (2nd time... Not Third you KNOW THAT) IT is NOT Easy ... and often THANKLESS WORK . but we were willing to get out an EARLY Call... and DO THAT WORK... when No one else was willing.
You continue to Misrepresent things... I know it... many others do to...
Just like when GC Concenced what it wanted for NEW Caretaker Structure...
(remember you saying you wanted to make a "GRACEFUL TRANSITION OFF THE LAND"? it is in the recordings)
then at the end of that GC... Mumbled... as you left... ("well i am not doing that"...)
and in the months that followed ... those consenced to be THAT STRUCTURE... Report that it was YOU who Disrupted that agreed upon Structure.. and Drove them off the land...
I think people are Clear on how you Misrepresent...
Shut down dialog... walk away...
and try to Alienate others you do not think Fit what the Sanctuary should be (according to you.)
I think Rula might be able to shed light ... on how you align yourself as alli to accomplish your agendas.. then turn on them when they don't fit your game plan anymore.
I have not called you names...
I have not been insincer...
I have not walked off when you were trying to communicate...
I have not tried to Drive you off the land (even when i thought what you were doing was WRONG)
I have not tried to make you feel like you are not apart of OUR Church.
Not tried to Stage Meetings designed to Silence you or drive you off...
for you it is about "RINGS OF POWER" and Gamesmanship...
and as a Result... we all LOOSE.
and as usual... (as with so many like you before) you have left the land after the mess you made of our process.
Rick and i ONLY tried to get us to HONOR our Process...
Show us where we did not.
we only tried to Help Make M4M gatherings a Better Experince... because that is what was important to us.
Like Moving the addiction Circle OFF the main Path ... according to the requests of our partisipants...
we made the call.. held the Space... and let others come in and build on that foundation.
NO ONE Should Feel compelled to go to HeartCircles...
but Gatherings with that Intention are the BEST... maybe you do not know this... since most of the time you have been around ... apparently... they have become Less than the CENTER of our Church.
I think that is SAD... that People Living in the Church Sanctuary ... would RESIST or RESENT a Weekly heart Circle..
YOU are RIGHT... I would Value that more than you could KNOW.
For me it has ALWAYS been about Listening... I am Not sure why I am Not worth of the Same.
especially from you.
I always saw you as a Such a Spiritual being... someone worthy of being thought of as a peer... until you started seeing yourself as Greater and more POWERFUL than so many others...
why do so many people think you are an alcoholic?
is that a part of what being in Sanctuary is for you?
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Re: The excluded speak:
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 12:26 PMWhen the computer underlines something in red, it means you can right click, and get a list of spelling options; or, you can add your spelling to your computer's dictionary. -
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Re: The excluded speak:
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 11:42 PMtypical iz... won't address the issue of this threads topic... but can point out Spelling...
that is CLASSICISM Isidora...
i don't know "iz" is underlined(it wants to change it to LIZ or BIZ "Z" or "I".... Hmmmm which one do we pick?
oh yeah... Who Gives a Crap?
as Mark Twain once said: "it is a damn Small Mind that can only spell a word one way"
I think that says it all...
what word did I miss spell?
Alcoholic?
So not to Bore people by repeating the QUESTION...
HOW DO WE CREATE POLOCY THAT UPHOLDS THE SACREDNESS OF M4M SPACES WHEN CALLED?
WE KNOW THE SIGN IDEA WAS A BUST... AND STELLA AGREED TO HEAD UP THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE pc SIGN...
BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS EVER HAPPENED...
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